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The opensource client and server is and always will be free and opensource, there is a paid for version, if projects don't get funding they die. There's nothing at all to stop someone developing their own api and open sourcing it. |
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So that doesn't stop you from selling your product for commercial use to various companies and individuals who are in business. I understand about the financial support, but, you know, I really miss the address book support even for purely personal non-commercial use. I would expect a server that you host to have it. You could think of some option for non-commercial use of not only the basic functions, there was such a theme, for example, with Team Viewer, and there was no possibility to use your own server. Or at least some variant without a paid subscription, but with a one-time payment. |
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People still use non-commercial for commercial use. Putting this into perspective $10 a month is maximum 3 drinks in a bar or a packet of cigarettes |
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It's understandable that they use it... P. S. By the way, on your site in the section of purchasing licenses (https://rustdesk.com/pricing.html), if you click on the button "buy now", it redirects to some page with an error. This happens both when selecting the Personal plan, and when selecting the Business plan. |
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Sorry it does work out so expensive, I hope that the ruble vs the dollar comes down soon :)
Thanks, yes the payment portal hasnt been completed quite yet. |
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Only problem I have with this statement, is why I left TeamViewer, and eventually Anydesk. They claimed I was a business, without actually verifying with me that I am actually personal, and then blocked and banned me from use without paying for a business license. Sure I have like 50 computers in my apartment at times, and I have a grandmother and mother I try to help with theirs. But I am not a business by far. My concern is this will happen with RustDesk as well. I do not run a business, my usage is entirely personal. I also agree with the OP it is a weird way to license your software - it is atypical. Usually anything I self host that is open source is free to self host. Example: Nextcloud. I am sure there are many others. Paid service is usually hosted services. |
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You do know that statement was a reply to someone and shouldn't be taken out of context? It can't go the same way as anydesk and teamviewer as the code is out there already. |
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This is not always the case. |
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Well, in fact, the RustDesk software is just something like that, but the developer still believes that you should charge money, and on a subscription basis, for the address book function (and some other Pro-functions), if even the user hosts it. My opinion hasn't changed, if hosted on my personal hosting - it should be free, at most I would be ready for something like a one-time donation. Well, and some kind of limit on the number of address book contacts, for example, no more than 50 items. For most non-commercial and home use it would be enough, well, and those who have thousands of contacts there, well ok, let it be a corporate use and with the appropriate subscription fee. |
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Its not at all the same or similar. RustDesk Server was always closed until a year or so ago and then it was opensourced. Only parts of Bitwarden is opensourced and someone has decided to create their own part which is opensource (Vaultwarden). There is nothing to stop someone developing their own opensource API server for RustDesk which then would be similar to vaultwarden/bitwarden. If theres limits on an addressbook people will complain cause they dont need 50 they need 60 and so on, literally impossible. |
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In fact, in terms of intellectual property, the developer is the owner of the code, and has the right to decide which license and terms to use for distribution. If I am a developer of a cool thing, I can decide to use a standard license or I can do something fancy like requiring "ius primae noctis" on user's daughters (nobody in their mind will accept these terms, but I can request it). The developer can choose the license for the software he/she creates, and if the user wants to use that software, he/she must agree to that license's terms. No way around that. Obviously license decision will affect how the project is seen by the community, but that's another story.
Why? If your reasoning is "I pay for the my hosting, I don't want to pay for your hosting", than this is missing a big part: all the work in producing the software (and everything is connected to that). In the life of an open-source project, the incoming money is used to "feed the devs"; without the money, you won't have developers. Any serious (non-hobbyist) open source project needs full time developers, to give users features/updates in a timely manner. |
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What I find sad is that RustDesk is more expensive than AnyDesk and I need to host it. (At least for me in Canada.) |
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You should compare with AnyDesk's self-hosted pricing rustdesk/rustdesk#7201 (reply in thread) |
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You must get special pricing in Canada :). I suppose if you're a single user doing self-hosting it "kind-of" is. But that's not fair comparison. With AnyDesk, for USD15 / month, you can have (according to their web site), for one licensed user, up to 3 "login" devices, but only one outgoing connection (i.e. you can only use one of those three devices at a time; they may not be enforcing it, but that's what the license says). And 100 "Unattended"/"Managed" devices that you can connect to. Go to one of the "Pro" versions, and each outgoing connection costs you USD30 / month. Have four team members who need to help customer simultaneously? That's $120/month. With RustDesk; for free, you can have as many connections as you like. You just don't get "user management". But for USD 20/month, you can have basic user management with up to 10 users and 100 "managed" devices. And it scales at $10 for every 10 users, or $1 for 10 additional "managed" devices. Ok, the hosting has an additional cost, but if you're hosting RustDesk for use by a limited group of people, then that cost should be negligible. I host mine on the cheapest ARM Linux host offered by Azure. So far works out at less than $10 per month. I use Azure because I get a monthly credit that would otherwise be going to waste. I believe there are even "free" options from e.g., AWS. And if you have a fixed IP address for your Internet connection, then you can host it on a Raspberry Pi. |
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I would love a one-time purchase option for the address book feature, but I also recognize that this specific feature should not be taken lightly. Call me paranoid, but the reason I use my password manager (Bitwarden self-hosted with paid license, by the way) as my RustDesk address book is that I do not yet feel confident leaving a service on the Internet with remote access to my other computer protected only by a simple user login + MFA. If compromised... effectively giving away all the keys to the kingdom. So, I understand the decision to make it a subscription feature. First, because it's more desirable than it is essential for the basic functions (= remote control), and second, because it is a feature that needs to be really well implemented to avoid becoming a security risk for everyone. |
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Hello! Could you please clarify a point? And why, if I install RustDesk server (version pro - docker pull rustdesk/rustdesk-server-pro-s6) on my device (in particular, I host as a docker-container on my Synology NAS), then I still ask for a license? If this project was originally conceived as a source code project, then why, have some of its features become payable, even if you host the server on your own host? I accept that some features may be paid for, but usually this always applies to features that are hosted in the software developer's cloud. But here, it turns out, to use the professional features even on your own hosting, you have to pay a subscription? That is, there isn't even a one-off payment option. I'm sorry, but this seems to me a very strange approach by the developer.
Also to add, I'm sorry, but it's completely incomprehensible to me why I have to pay for the address book feature, and pay by way of subscription, by hosting a RustDesk server on my personal hosting?
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